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*The Winstar Casinos (Palace, Mariachi and Center Ring) casinos share the same 46-table, non-smoking poker room (located in the New York Gaming Plaza).The poker room is huge at 20,220 square feet with 20 plasma TV’s, 40 open tables, and a high limit area with 6 poker tables.
*Review of WinStar World Casino and Resort Reviewed June 28, 2014 Some friends and I made the hour drive from Dallas after we learned they had finally brought craps to the Winstar. Choctaw has had it for a while but it is played with cards instead of dice so we were expecting something similar at Winstar.Introduction
In California the dice alone may not determine the outcome in craps. So a combination of dice and playing cards, or cards alone, are used. There are numerous ways this is done. Here are some methods I am aware of. Agua Caliente
Twelve cards are used, an ace through six from two separate decks, with different color back sides. The cards will be shuffled and spread across the table face down. The first card of each color from one end shall be used to represent the roll. The odds are the same as with dice.Barona
Six cards are used, numbered one to six. They are randomly placed in six positions on the table. The roll of two dice will determine which card(s) are turned over, that shall deterine the outcome for betting purposes. With each new shooter, the cards are re-arranged. The odds are the same as conventional craps.Fantasy Springs
Same method as the Agua Caliente. Harrah’s
Two separate six-card decks, one red and one green, are used. Each shoe consists one each of ranks A, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Aces count as one, all other ranks count according to its pip value. Six cards are dealt from each shoe. Two ordinary dice are thrown, one red and one green. The outcome of the dice determine which cards are turned over, which represent the roll. The odds are the same as conventional craps. Normandie
Two partial decks are mixed together, each consisting of all four suits ranked ace to six. So, there are 48 cards total. Two cards are drawn without replacement. If they are the same suit, then there is no action. Otherwise, the two cards represent the roll. This is mathematically equivalent to using dice. There is also a ’No Call’ bet, which pays 3 to 1 on two cards of the same suit. The house edge on that bet is 6.38%. As usual with the Los Angeles county casinos, the player must also pay about a 1% fee on all bets.Pala
The following equipment is used: (A) A red die numbered with three 1’s, and three 4’s, (B) a blue die numbered with three 2’s, and three 3’s, and (C) A 36-card deck featuring all possible permutations of two dice. Two cards are drawn at random and placed face down over red and blue regions of the table. The dice are thrown. If the red die is higher then the red card is turned over and used as the roll, if the blue die is higher then the blue card is used. Note that there can be no ties. Also the blue die is irrelevant. A 1 on the red die will always lose to the blue die, and a 4 will always win. The odds are the same as conventional craps.
The ’Super Field’ pays if both cards are the 1-1 and 6-6, in either order. Wins pay 500 to 1. The probability of winning is 0.154%, for a house edge of 22.685%. Pechanga
Pechanga currently follows the Barona method (at least as of 7/26/16). They have previously used other methods so please don’t write in to correct me unless you have very current information. Pauma
A 73-card deck is used, consisting of 12 each of cards ace to six, and one joker. Two cards are drawn to determine the roll. If the first card is the joker, there is no action, and two new cards are drawn. If the second card is the joker, it shall match the first card. The odds are the same as conventional craps.
The joker side bet pays 60 FOR 1 if the first card is a joker. The probability of winning is 1.389%, for a house edge of 16.67%.
The four suit bets, one for each suit, win if both cards are the suit specified, and pays 14 FOR 1. The probability of winning is 5.822%, for a house edge of 18.493%.San Manuel
Same procedure as Viejas, except 312 cards are in the shuffler and they call it just ’craps.’ Sycuan
The Sycuan follows the same procedure as Barona. Viejas
The game is dealt at a blackjack-size table called ’Card Craps.’ I’m told a 264-card shoe is used, consisting of 44 cards each of ranks ace to six. They start with five 54-card decks (9 cards each numbered 1 to 6), and then remove one of each face (5×54-6=264), to accomodate the shuffler. Two cards are drawn to represent the roll. Due to the effect of non-replacement, the odds will be slightly different from conventional craps.
The maximum win on odds bets is $1,000. If the player wishes to get that limit, with 10X odds after a pass or come bet, then he should not bet more than $10 on a pass or come bet, and $100 on a don’t pass or don’t come.
For more information, see my page on Card Craps.Southern California Odds Survey
Here is what I know of the odds allowed in the casinos of southern California. San Diego County Craps SurveyCasinoOdds OfferedHouse EdgeLast SurveyedAgua Caliente3x-4x-5x0.37%Sep. 2013AugustineNo crapsN/ASep. 2013Barona5x0.33%Dec. 2008Chumash??NeverFantasy Springs3x-4x-5x0.37%Sep. 2013Golden AcornNo crapsN/ADec. 2008Harrah’s2x0.57%Dec. 2008La PostaNo crapsN/ADec. 2008MorongoNo crapsN/ASep. 2013Pala5x0.33%Dec. 2008Pauma3x-4x-5x0.37%Dec. 2008Pechanga10x0.18%May 2014Santa YsabelNo crapsN/ADec. 2008Soboba??NeverSpaNo crapsN/ASep. 2013Spotlight 29No crapsN/ASep. 2013Sycuan5x0.33%Dec. 2008Valley ViewNo crapsN/ADec. 2008Viejas*10x0.18%Dec. 2008
* The Viejas 10X odds game has a maximum odds bet of $600.
Mgm slots app. ’3x-4x-5x’ means the player can bet 3 times his pass/come bet with a point of 4 or 10, 4 times with a 5 or 9, and 5 times with a 6 or 8. Assuming the player always takes the maximum odds, under this rule, his odds win will always be 6 times his pass line bet. The house edge column is the combined house edge between the pass/come bet and full odds.
Disclaimer: The Barona Casino hired me to perform surveys of San Diego casinos for backjack, roulette, and craps. The table above summarizes my findings. Oklahoma
It seems that Oklahoma also has card craps. Here is what little I know about it.Winstar
The Winstar uses a 36-card deck, one card for each two-dice combination. It is my understanding that the cards look ordinary, except for a bar code, which corresponds to the dice roll.Other Games Surveyed in San DiegoInternal Links
*How the house edge for each bet is derived, in brief.
*The house edge of all the major bets on both a per-bet made and per-roll basis
*Dice Control Experiments. The results of two experiments on skillful dice throwing.
*Dice Control Advantage. The player advantage, assuming he can influence the dice.
*Craps variants. Alternative rules and bets such as the Fire Bet, Crapless Craps, and Card Craps.
*California craps. How craps is played in California using playing cards.
*Play Craps. Craps game using cards at the Viejas casino in San Diego.
*Number of Rolls Table. Probability of a shooter lasting 1 to 200 rolls before a seven-out.
*Ask the Wizard. See craps questions I’ve answered about:
*Simple Craps game. My simple Java craps game.External Links
*Las Vegas craps survey — The max odds bet allowed at each casino.
Written by: Michael ShacklefordTigerWuWow, $1 minimum is crazy! I wonder if that’s just a promotional since the game is so new or it will be normal.
I wonder what their roulette minimums are..PachucoBroBased on what I have seen and read from them the $1 minimum bet is the standard bet, plus you pay the $1 Ante on every come out roll.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don’t pay the ante.
I plan to make a trip to the Casino this weekend to check it out. It is only an hours drive from my house in North Dallas.klimate10
Based on what I have seen and read from them the $1 minimum bet is the standard bet, plus you pay the $1 Ante on every come out roll.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don’t pay the ante.
The minimum bet is $5.
There is an ante on every come out roll. If you don’t make a come out bet, then you pay the ante when your bet goes live, such as making a place bet with no pass bet.
Once you make the ante for that hand, no further ante is required.
For example, come out roll 7 winner, 2 craps, 11 yo, 3 craps, then point of 4. That will be $5 worth of antes. It’s $1 per come out ROLL, not shooter. Once the point is established, if you’ve already paid the ante, then no further ante is required to make odds or any center/prop bets.
If you don’t make a pass bet and only a place bet, then if a pass line point winner rolls, you have to pay another ante to make your place bet go live. They collect antes like mad.
I saw lots of people betting $5 with a $1 ante.
Not true that at $25 min they waive the ante. They never waive the ante.
I only went to Winstar to see and make a TR. It’s not worth going to any of these OK casinos. Alcohol is NOT comped and overpriced. When I was there, a can of Coors light was $4.50, but it was happy hour, so $4.00.
The tables are packed. People just don’t care about the ante. I think they see it as the cost of entertainment.PachucoBroThanks for the clarification on the minimum bets. I typically will have a min bet (1 unit) on the Pass Line and about 3-10 units using Come and Don’t Come bets.
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. It’s what.. 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all.
I’m not a big drinker or really a drinker at all so I could care less about the cost of alcohol, but you are gonna buy something to drink if you are sitting in the casino for several hours.TigerWuI think most Oklahoma casinos offer free coffee, tea, and soda, though. I know I’ve seen that before.mustangsally
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. Maryland live casino military appreciation. It’s what.. 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all. so,
bet $100 (on the pass line, sure) and that makes the ’fee’ 1%
does it not?
but when one makes 30 bets per hour per come out rolls
that is $30 per hour.
must be some super math challenged players playing Craps in that part of the country
but for a fix it is inexpensive
imo, that game and fee system will be lost very soon
as it was in SoCal
SallyI Heart Vi Hartklimate10Right now, even with the ante system, both OK casinos that border Texas are packed to the gills, so they have no incentive to remove the ante. Just more profit.
One of the pits was laughing and bragging about how they can charge anything they want, including charging for alcohol, and if people don’t like it, they can drive three hours to Shreveport. They’re quite confident and arrogant. And he was making this brag to the entire table.
It wouldn’t be that bad if people were betting $100. That would add about 1% to the HE. But most people are betting in the $5-$25 range. Lots of people betting $5 pass with $10 odds. And sometimes it takes two or three come it rolls to establish a point, so that’s more antes.
In defense of the OK casinos and their craps game, that’s still a lower overall loss per hour than slots.
According to my math, it costs about $30 an hour worth of antes to play the OK craps game.
People just don’t care.PachucoBro
imo, that game and fee system will be lost very soon
as it was in SoCal
Sally
Well it isn’t going to go away anytime soon.. this ante system is a State Legislative thing that says Tribal Casinos can’t make money directly from the table games.
Every dollar you lose at a table game can not be taken by the casino as profit. That money goes to: The State of OK (10%), the cost of running the game and promotions for guests.Craps At Winstar Casino
The Ante is the only way the casino can profit. Without it.. the casino is a Non-Profit Organization.. technically.. AND that ain’t gonna happen. ;)Hotels Near Winstar Casinoklimate10Winners At Winstar CasinoAllegedly, the casino is supposed to give the money won from the HE back to the players.
At casino Morongo in CA, when I was there years ago, they had a promotion where if you got 3 BJs in a row, you win a free $500 that came from the player pool that was fed by the HE.
The OK casinos have no such pool. I spoke to a pit who confirmed no such player pool. His justification was that the money won from the players is used to also pay the winning bets. I asked him what about the money won from the HE? He just shrugged his shoulders and said it stays with the casino to pay the players if the casino has a bad month.
Technically they can say that the money won from the HE is used to pay for comps. So many loopholes they can use to justify the ‘promotions for players’.
I’m the end, I think they just keep it as profit and write it off by saying they paid it out through various comped promos.
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Free Bonus offers and Casino news in your inbox monthly! GambleAware offer players and their families advice and guidance on gambling. They offer information and advice to encourage responsible gambling, both Craps Cash Out to players and casino operators,. At WinStar World Casino and Resort, we get it. So we’ve got all your favorite table games, from poker-based favorites and blackjack to craps and roulette with live balls and dice. Pull up a chair.
*The Winstar Casinos (Palace, Mariachi and Center Ring) casinos share the same 46-table, non-smoking poker room (located in the New York Gaming Plaza).The poker room is huge at 20,220 square feet with 20 plasma TV’s, 40 open tables, and a high limit area with 6 poker tables.
*Review of WinStar World Casino and Resort Reviewed June 28, 2014 Some friends and I made the hour drive from Dallas after we learned they had finally brought craps to the Winstar. Choctaw has had it for a while but it is played with cards instead of dice so we were expecting something similar at Winstar.Introduction
In California the dice alone may not determine the outcome in craps. So a combination of dice and playing cards, or cards alone, are used. There are numerous ways this is done. Here are some methods I am aware of. Agua Caliente
Twelve cards are used, an ace through six from two separate decks, with different color back sides. The cards will be shuffled and spread across the table face down. The first card of each color from one end shall be used to represent the roll. The odds are the same as with dice.Barona
Six cards are used, numbered one to six. They are randomly placed in six positions on the table. The roll of two dice will determine which card(s) are turned over, that shall deterine the outcome for betting purposes. With each new shooter, the cards are re-arranged. The odds are the same as conventional craps.Fantasy Springs
Same method as the Agua Caliente. Harrah’s
Two separate six-card decks, one red and one green, are used. Each shoe consists one each of ranks A, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Aces count as one, all other ranks count according to its pip value. Six cards are dealt from each shoe. Two ordinary dice are thrown, one red and one green. The outcome of the dice determine which cards are turned over, which represent the roll. The odds are the same as conventional craps. Normandie
Two partial decks are mixed together, each consisting of all four suits ranked ace to six. So, there are 48 cards total. Two cards are drawn without replacement. If they are the same suit, then there is no action. Otherwise, the two cards represent the roll. This is mathematically equivalent to using dice. There is also a ’No Call’ bet, which pays 3 to 1 on two cards of the same suit. The house edge on that bet is 6.38%. As usual with the Los Angeles county casinos, the player must also pay about a 1% fee on all bets.Pala
The following equipment is used: (A) A red die numbered with three 1’s, and three 4’s, (B) a blue die numbered with three 2’s, and three 3’s, and (C) A 36-card deck featuring all possible permutations of two dice. Two cards are drawn at random and placed face down over red and blue regions of the table. The dice are thrown. If the red die is higher then the red card is turned over and used as the roll, if the blue die is higher then the blue card is used. Note that there can be no ties. Also the blue die is irrelevant. A 1 on the red die will always lose to the blue die, and a 4 will always win. The odds are the same as conventional craps.
The ’Super Field’ pays if both cards are the 1-1 and 6-6, in either order. Wins pay 500 to 1. The probability of winning is 0.154%, for a house edge of 22.685%. Pechanga
Pechanga currently follows the Barona method (at least as of 7/26/16). They have previously used other methods so please don’t write in to correct me unless you have very current information. Pauma
A 73-card deck is used, consisting of 12 each of cards ace to six, and one joker. Two cards are drawn to determine the roll. If the first card is the joker, there is no action, and two new cards are drawn. If the second card is the joker, it shall match the first card. The odds are the same as conventional craps.
The joker side bet pays 60 FOR 1 if the first card is a joker. The probability of winning is 1.389%, for a house edge of 16.67%.
The four suit bets, one for each suit, win if both cards are the suit specified, and pays 14 FOR 1. The probability of winning is 5.822%, for a house edge of 18.493%.San Manuel
Same procedure as Viejas, except 312 cards are in the shuffler and they call it just ’craps.’ Sycuan
The Sycuan follows the same procedure as Barona. Viejas
The game is dealt at a blackjack-size table called ’Card Craps.’ I’m told a 264-card shoe is used, consisting of 44 cards each of ranks ace to six. They start with five 54-card decks (9 cards each numbered 1 to 6), and then remove one of each face (5×54-6=264), to accomodate the shuffler. Two cards are drawn to represent the roll. Due to the effect of non-replacement, the odds will be slightly different from conventional craps.
The maximum win on odds bets is $1,000. If the player wishes to get that limit, with 10X odds after a pass or come bet, then he should not bet more than $10 on a pass or come bet, and $100 on a don’t pass or don’t come.
For more information, see my page on Card Craps.Southern California Odds Survey
Here is what I know of the odds allowed in the casinos of southern California. San Diego County Craps SurveyCasinoOdds OfferedHouse EdgeLast SurveyedAgua Caliente3x-4x-5x0.37%Sep. 2013AugustineNo crapsN/ASep. 2013Barona5x0.33%Dec. 2008Chumash??NeverFantasy Springs3x-4x-5x0.37%Sep. 2013Golden AcornNo crapsN/ADec. 2008Harrah’s2x0.57%Dec. 2008La PostaNo crapsN/ADec. 2008MorongoNo crapsN/ASep. 2013Pala5x0.33%Dec. 2008Pauma3x-4x-5x0.37%Dec. 2008Pechanga10x0.18%May 2014Santa YsabelNo crapsN/ADec. 2008Soboba??NeverSpaNo crapsN/ASep. 2013Spotlight 29No crapsN/ASep. 2013Sycuan5x0.33%Dec. 2008Valley ViewNo crapsN/ADec. 2008Viejas*10x0.18%Dec. 2008
* The Viejas 10X odds game has a maximum odds bet of $600.
Mgm slots app. ’3x-4x-5x’ means the player can bet 3 times his pass/come bet with a point of 4 or 10, 4 times with a 5 or 9, and 5 times with a 6 or 8. Assuming the player always takes the maximum odds, under this rule, his odds win will always be 6 times his pass line bet. The house edge column is the combined house edge between the pass/come bet and full odds.
Disclaimer: The Barona Casino hired me to perform surveys of San Diego casinos for backjack, roulette, and craps. The table above summarizes my findings. Oklahoma
It seems that Oklahoma also has card craps. Here is what little I know about it.Winstar
The Winstar uses a 36-card deck, one card for each two-dice combination. It is my understanding that the cards look ordinary, except for a bar code, which corresponds to the dice roll.Other Games Surveyed in San DiegoInternal Links
*How the house edge for each bet is derived, in brief.
*The house edge of all the major bets on both a per-bet made and per-roll basis
*Dice Control Experiments. The results of two experiments on skillful dice throwing.
*Dice Control Advantage. The player advantage, assuming he can influence the dice.
*Craps variants. Alternative rules and bets such as the Fire Bet, Crapless Craps, and Card Craps.
*California craps. How craps is played in California using playing cards.
*Play Craps. Craps game using cards at the Viejas casino in San Diego.
*Number of Rolls Table. Probability of a shooter lasting 1 to 200 rolls before a seven-out.
*Ask the Wizard. See craps questions I’ve answered about:
*Simple Craps game. My simple Java craps game.External Links
*Las Vegas craps survey — The max odds bet allowed at each casino.
Written by: Michael ShacklefordTigerWuWow, $1 minimum is crazy! I wonder if that’s just a promotional since the game is so new or it will be normal.
I wonder what their roulette minimums are..PachucoBroBased on what I have seen and read from them the $1 minimum bet is the standard bet, plus you pay the $1 Ante on every come out roll.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don’t pay the ante.
I plan to make a trip to the Casino this weekend to check it out. It is only an hours drive from my house in North Dallas.klimate10
Based on what I have seen and read from them the $1 minimum bet is the standard bet, plus you pay the $1 Ante on every come out roll.
I also have seen some things that make me think if you are betting $25 or more, you don’t pay the ante.
The minimum bet is $5.
There is an ante on every come out roll. If you don’t make a come out bet, then you pay the ante when your bet goes live, such as making a place bet with no pass bet.
Once you make the ante for that hand, no further ante is required.
For example, come out roll 7 winner, 2 craps, 11 yo, 3 craps, then point of 4. That will be $5 worth of antes. It’s $1 per come out ROLL, not shooter. Once the point is established, if you’ve already paid the ante, then no further ante is required to make odds or any center/prop bets.
If you don’t make a pass bet and only a place bet, then if a pass line point winner rolls, you have to pay another ante to make your place bet go live. They collect antes like mad.
I saw lots of people betting $5 with a $1 ante.
Not true that at $25 min they waive the ante. They never waive the ante.
I only went to Winstar to see and make a TR. It’s not worth going to any of these OK casinos. Alcohol is NOT comped and overpriced. When I was there, a can of Coors light was $4.50, but it was happy hour, so $4.00.
The tables are packed. People just don’t care about the ante. I think they see it as the cost of entertainment.PachucoBroThanks for the clarification on the minimum bets. I typically will have a min bet (1 unit) on the Pass Line and about 3-10 units using Come and Don’t Come bets.
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. It’s what.. 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all.
I’m not a big drinker or really a drinker at all so I could care less about the cost of alcohol, but you are gonna buy something to drink if you are sitting in the casino for several hours.TigerWuI think most Oklahoma casinos offer free coffee, tea, and soda, though. I know I’ve seen that before.mustangsally
Yeah I understood the Ante as being for each come out roll. Maryland live casino military appreciation. It’s what.. 20% if you just play $5 on the PL? Not really worth it at all. so,
bet $100 (on the pass line, sure) and that makes the ’fee’ 1%
does it not?
but when one makes 30 bets per hour per come out rolls
that is $30 per hour.
must be some super math challenged players playing Craps in that part of the country
but for a fix it is inexpensive
imo, that game and fee system will be lost very soon
as it was in SoCal
SallyI Heart Vi Hartklimate10Right now, even with the ante system, both OK casinos that border Texas are packed to the gills, so they have no incentive to remove the ante. Just more profit.
One of the pits was laughing and bragging about how they can charge anything they want, including charging for alcohol, and if people don’t like it, they can drive three hours to Shreveport. They’re quite confident and arrogant. And he was making this brag to the entire table.
It wouldn’t be that bad if people were betting $100. That would add about 1% to the HE. But most people are betting in the $5-$25 range. Lots of people betting $5 pass with $10 odds. And sometimes it takes two or three come it rolls to establish a point, so that’s more antes.
In defense of the OK casinos and their craps game, that’s still a lower overall loss per hour than slots.
According to my math, it costs about $30 an hour worth of antes to play the OK craps game.
People just don’t care.PachucoBro
imo, that game and fee system will be lost very soon
as it was in SoCal
Sally
Well it isn’t going to go away anytime soon.. this ante system is a State Legislative thing that says Tribal Casinos can’t make money directly from the table games.
Every dollar you lose at a table game can not be taken by the casino as profit. That money goes to: The State of OK (10%), the cost of running the game and promotions for guests.Craps At Winstar Casino
The Ante is the only way the casino can profit. Without it.. the casino is a Non-Profit Organization.. technically.. AND that ain’t gonna happen. ;)Hotels Near Winstar Casinoklimate10Winners At Winstar CasinoAllegedly, the casino is supposed to give the money won from the HE back to the players.
At casino Morongo in CA, when I was there years ago, they had a promotion where if you got 3 BJs in a row, you win a free $500 that came from the player pool that was fed by the HE.
The OK casinos have no such pool. I spoke to a pit who confirmed no such player pool. His justification was that the money won from the players is used to also pay the winning bets. I asked him what about the money won from the HE? He just shrugged his shoulders and said it stays with the casino to pay the players if the casino has a bad month.
Technically they can say that the money won from the HE is used to pay for comps. So many loopholes they can use to justify the ‘promotions for players’.
I’m the end, I think they just keep it as profit and write it off by saying they paid it out through various comped promos.
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